So This Is How Freedom Dies...

FBI wants palm prints, eye scans, tattoo mapping

From Kelli Arena and Carol Cratty
CNN


CLARKSBURG, West Virginia (CNN) -- The FBI is gearing up to create a massive computer database of people's physical characteristics, all part of an effort the bureau says to better identify criminals and terrorists.


The FBI wants to use eye scans, combined with other data, to help identify suspects.

But it's an issue that raises major privacy concerns -- what one civil liberties expert says should concern all Americans.

The bureau is expected to announce in coming days the awarding of a $1 billion, 10-year contract to help create the database that will compile an array of biometric information -- from palm prints to eye scans.

Kimberly Del Greco, the FBI's Biometric Services section chief, said adding to the database is "important to protect the borders to keep the terrorists out, protect our citizens, our neighbors, our children so they can have good jobs, and have a safe country to live in."

But it's unnerving to privacy experts.

"It's the beginning of the surveillance society where you can be tracked anywhere, any time and all your movements, and eventually all your activities will be tracked and noted and correlated," said Barry Steinhardt, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Technology and Liberty Project.

The FBI already has 55 million sets of fingerprints on file. In coming years, the bureau wants to compare palm prints, scars and tattoos, iris eye patterns, and facial shapes. The idea is to combine various pieces of biometric information to positively identify a potential suspect.

read the rest here: http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/02/04/f...ics/index.html

Do you think this is going too far for the sake of National Security...
Looks like the blueprint for a monitored, surveillanced, cashless society... which is where this country ultimately wants...
your thoughts?

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These will war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for he is Lord of Lords, and King of Kings...

Lil' Soul

Nerd.

Ha.. I just don’t see the down side to this particular request. And I don’t agree with the thinking that future, more invasive measures will be implemented simply because this proposal passes. I’m more of the thinking that.. when an informed public gets wind that what is ACTULLY being proposed is not in their best interest, that is the time to make noise. And this does not seem to be one of those times. Oh, and I don’t get blown away by sh!t that some supposed lack of vision or foresight allowed to creep up on me. Quite to the contrary.. I’ve acute vision when it comes to seeing the TRUE dangers ahead.

P.S. Star Wars is good sh!t..

King Of Kings

well I guess you don't have anything to worry about then bruh...
unfortunately, not everyone is as... enlightened as you are... some people can't hear the dog until it's just about to bite them... I hope you're right and this doesn't lead to future problems... but that doesn't mean the potential of it isn't there...

Lil' Soul

This coming from the same cat that is proclaiming the end of the world? Ha.. Enlightened indeed. And that is not how slavery started in this country. There was no vote.. There was no subconscious progressive agreement, by having the victims get used to agreeing with you and saying ‘yes’ to all the little things you suggest up front, that led to their ultimate acceptance. It was an all out ‘this is how it is’.. And those with the power made the rule. Our society is not that society. The comparison is absurd.

People are often idiots.. without question. And it’s not altogether hard to make things happen that the populace would normally never considering allowing under normal circumstances. But nothing about palm prints, retina imprinting or tattoo mapping is going to enslave the world.

Lil' Soul

Have fun with your Ark. I can do Home Depot runs for you while you work.. But really.. I’m the one who said there was no way for the populace of the colonies to keep slavery from happening. So ask yourself about what was able to be voted on and what was not.

Anything corrupt that our government does that gets discovered, is always corrected or at least stopped. Those on the opposite political spectrum as the perpetrators make damn sure to milk that sh!t for all it’s worth. And as time goes on, it gets more and more difficult for anything to go unnoticed. Guess what.. that’s not going to stop. The trend has continued steadily in recent decades to have all government initiative investigated and held accountable. And that is not going to stop either. Why do you think so much government scandal has been exposed in the recent years? Because they are less and less able to cover their tracks and get away with it.. But for real, I have to go back to your slavery example man. That sh!t was mad unfair, considering you are supporting a ‘get the hell outta Dodge’ approach to our problems.

If you’ll remember your history correctly.. And I’m sure you do.. Even though you’re just as apt at spitting nonsense propaganda in an effort to strengthen your argument as any politician trying to gain favor.. There were a great many good men and women.. who would neither be slave owners, nor watch their neighbors treat men and women like animals.. who were brutally murdered and had their entire families slaughtered because of their defiance. Thousands of miles of open sea separated those who were not killed, and that did not wish to see such things happening, from the protection they needed from their government in order to live long enough to make such protests effective. It was either accept it as a fact of life for the time being, or have your seed terminated from existence because of your stance. And those who survived happen to be a few white people who did not “walk toward the danger”.

The fvcked up thing is that most of the defiance was lost on future generations who grew up learning, that life was supposed to be that way. Slavery was normal. Kinda how most of the beautiful defiance among civil rights activists in the sixties are lost on today’s boys and girls coming up in the hood, who learn that bullsh!t about white people being superior. Same thing.. different time period.. different subset of the population.. same destructive results.

There is no true separation among humans. Race is an illusion. A scientifically proven one. Propagating the differences between men and women who don’t look alike only serves to strengthen the very evil you fear and speak out against. And if you were truly about what is actually happening.. It would not be ‘white people’ you would be condemning. Because it’s not a color thang. The control you fear is something those with The Money wish to impart upon those without. And those without include EVERY single color, culture, nationality, foot size, height, and hygiene profile.

That is what’s real homie.. whether you want to accept it or not. Your antichrist don’t care what color you or I are. He only wants to keep us divided from all our brothers and sisters, of every variety, so he will be left with no resistance. And you are doing a good job of helping him. But that’s right.. I forgot.. Only your God can save us. Let’s not take any of the responsibility for fixing our world ourselves or anything. Maybe he’ll pick you and your followers up on the Ark so you won’t have to endure the suffering you think is to come.

I got a lot of respect for who you are as a person.. And that don’t change just because we differ on this particular topic.. You should know that a person’s position does not influence me one way or another man. I’m not going to agree with you because of your status.. But for real.. you’re not helping us to get, where I think you want the world to be.

Lil' Soul

Traveling the world impresses a lot of people, but not me. Guess who else has been around the world..? Let’s see.. Paris Hilton. Bobby Brown. Britney Spears. Etc. I guess we are to take their ideas seriously because they have traveled? Are we to believe that the conclusions we’ve drawn for ourselves, about these celebrities not being the type of people to base our rational thinking on.. are actually wrong?

Guess who else has been around the world? Me. Only four other countries, and nowhere near the extensive travel logs I imagine you’ve collected.. But that don’t mean I try making cats think I’m right because I’ve been more places than they have, and read other misleading propaganda that’s just as inaccurate as what you see here. Maybe you’d like to believe that the only thing I actually know is what I read, and maybe I’m just spitting drivel that I’ve no personal steak in.. but cat daddy.. I’m not just about theory. Never have been.

And if you seriously think what you watch on the news in other countries.. that do not have freedom of the press.. is more authentic than what is shown here, simply because it’s different.. Then I think you are relying too heavily on information that is just as corrupt as ours to influence you.

Be watchful and question.. If that’s the case, you and I would have no argument. There is nothing in this proposal that is going to spark the enslavement of our people. When such a proposal is offered up, it won’t be terribly hard to spot for those who are looking. I’m sure that you will be ready to let the whole board know that it’s time to speak the hell up. And regardless of whether or not you believe I would stand with you against anything that impinges on our freedoms, I’m not the one talking about building an Ark and getting the fvck outta here..

The only thing I see from you.. is your posts telling people the End of Days are coming.. like a well groomed version of one of those straggly ass cats on the streets with cardbord signs proclaiming the same things. This leads people who buy that sh!t to decide that nothing they do can make a difference.. and worse.. that they are victims. Man, that is the most destructive of all the attitudes you can help promote. No one is a victim who chooses not to be. But you seem to be telling people there is nothing they can do. Run away. Hide.. Build an Ark. I don’t get it man.. The man I know you to be is not congruent with the posts and messages I see you sending.

Anyway, what I’d like to see you telling your faithful.. Is something empowering that can actually make a difference in the way they perceive and interact with their world. Something that will help get us where you think we should go. Spit it out Emperor.

mrmckoy

Damn good post soul.

errrr.
Thanks...

Lil' Soul

Ha.. Cat daddy, everytime you and I end up stalemated on opposites sides of an important issue.. You bring up three things to end your arguments with.. One is how much you travel the world.. The second is how what you know comes from the real world.. subtly implying that I’m only a bookworm.. An effective counterpunch that would be, if true.. Props. And once you even said something about how a man in ‘your position’ is exposed to much that other, regular people are not.. Which gives you better insight into what’s really happening. Hence the reason I mentioned status.

I just thought I’d bring those points up first.. Seeing as how you’re a no typing ass, and putting those things in a post might inconvenience you further. I got your back homie.

But this idea you have that I know what you are really referring to when you talk religion is off base man. I’m not a biblical scholar.. I read the Bible once, after I was told that it could be interpreted to support all of my own beliefs as well as how it’s commonly taken. It’s beautifully written, and can mean so much more than how it’s taught.. But honestly.. I had NO CLUE you was bringing up the antichrist that night in the chat, and I seriously thought you was referring to an Ark as a means to escape impending doom. You’ll need to have Mack or LST to break down abstract Christian references for me in the future man. Despite my views to the contrary of Christian teachings.. I’m not looking to actively make light of anyone’s beliefs. As I’ve said before.. my own belief encompasses all others.. If the dominant expectations in your subconscious dictate a Christian heaven for you as you die, then that is EXACTLY what I think you and those of like mind will get.

You’re still confusing me though.. Are you saying that loyal Christians only have to sit around and wait for heaven? You are a role model.. like it or not.. Give some direction. Is there anything you think they should actively do?

Lil' Soul

If you mean that memo directing me to give the final approval for your ascension to The Emperor, or regulate you to a simple God Among Men.. Yea, I remember it.. thinking that you were definitely the best man for the job. Don’t fvck around and have me fire your ass though. We’re trying to make the economy strong again.. not add more cats to the unemployment line.