King Of Kings

^^^my point exactly...

bohoSoul

Agreed.

But the campaign interview speaks to things having little to do with such wide ranging social issues. But we take from media what we want. This is my take.

Here is a young woman. With modern hairstyle, showing cleavage, beautiful jewelry, make up and wearing jeans speaking about one life experience.

I'm sure the so called Honarable Elijah Muhammad would excommunicate her if he were still alive. I'm sure Louis Farrakhan has had much to say and critique about the rearing of his grand(?)children. I'm sure that Malcoms daughters have taken there fathers spiritual awakening further than he would have dreamed or maybe wanted.

But the sins of the ancestor is just that, until adopted by the descendant.

Also, why is it that those with peaceful precepts put little trust into the powers of that same peace. The "peaceful" ones are the first to retreat in every cultural battle. ( ...until a very few lead the way with bravery )

My family came from a very anchored life. I influenced as much as I was influenced by what I saw. My family taught me, I applied it, I testred it, some things worked, some things didn't, I saw other kids do things, I did some of that, got away with some of it, got caught too. Thats being a kid.

My point is that this one clip spoke of something called prejudice. (Pre-Judgement) I just saw a beatiful sister going thru life. I didn't see a reason to hide my future children from them mean ole black muslims.

AND ANOTHER THING!!! I am shocked that no one asked "why the HELL is this negro looking at an ITFACTOR thread while in church"?!?!?

Y'all is slippin.

mrmckoy

^^^ actually I thought about that but gave you the benefit that you were on the steps or in the car in the parking lot. lol

If I were Obama i wouldn't publically acknowledge that endorsement. It'd be like David Duke endorsing McCain in effect.

King Of Kings

again... your comparisons are a bit extreme... yes the Nation of Islam preaches separation from whites but they don't lynch white people and they don't murder white people because they are different. And in fact they claim to be founded by a man that was half black and half white. The Nation Of Islam is more about the upliftment of black and less about worrying about the white man.

again I'm in no way defending them but I do believe that they've made an impact in Nubian culture and history that sparked a movement. Had they not have come along and done what they've done, Nubian people might not have had the courage to stand up and do the things they did. You can't credit Martin Luther King with everything positive that took place in that whole era. The black power movement was sparked by the NOI and you can't deny that.

What you say about the negative aspects of the NOI is true and I'm not disputing that or arguing that... but this tunnel vision thing you have prevents you from seeing the impact they've had on our culture in a positive light. stop being so black and white... the world has many gray areas...

mrmckoy

Thats a matter of perception.

NOI people didn't lynch anyone becuase they never rose to a position of power. The propoganda, doctorine, and ideology would have made it possible.

Kinda amazed that nobody realizes that. They just don't have my respect. Faux religon and ideals from the ground up...

Despite good intentions they're a liability to our race in the long run.

King Of Kings

what makes you think that you have to power to do evil? You're dealing in hypotheticals and when you deal in hypotheticals your assumption is not based on reality... your saying "what if" they rose to a position of power. "If" they did, "then" they would have done such and such... that's not a very good way to back up an assertion.

Honestly in my humble opinion the NOI was powerful enough for a "black organization" they have thousands of members(they exaggerate in the millions) and chapters in many big cities of large states.

No one said you had to respect them, I'm just saying don't ignore what they've done for the "black movement" because without their role in our history your black ass might not have the freedoms that we enjoy today. And that's not to say that they are responsible for any legislation(which they are if you remember the case where a man was brutally beaten by the police and Malcolm X and the NOI demanded he be given treatment and they sued the Chicago police department and passed legislation that all prisoners regardless of color get fair treatment) but that they influenced a great number of people with the "black power" and black empowerment movement that they started. The problem is, your mind is too wrapped around tunnel vision to see past your own hang ups. There's nothing wrong with seeing gray... your just too stubborn to see it...

mrmckoy

I'm not stubborn. i'm just calling a cat a cat and a dog a dog.

NOI was all for segreation, reveresed Jim Crow, and against the very type of person that really started their movement (a white man).

Hitler fed his people too... So we should all recognize his good contributions to mankind? Please and if he'd never gotten into power and been able to do those things his ideology would have still been decadent.

I'm just not that shallow. Al Sadr's example shows you and I first hand so having lived through what fantical hatred could do I'd expect your viewpoint to be a lot more narrow. There's no room for that.

Why is it NOI and MLK couldn't work together?

get real.

DoublePromo

Before some of you continue to go on an "I'm the smartest person in the room" tangent, remember this - and I don't see Hillary denouncing or rejecting what her husband has said...


http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=6C349393-C54C-4E2F-9630-78531E58938D

Bill Clinton has endorsed Minister Louis Farrakhan’s Million More March (scheduled for October 14-15, 2005, in Washington, D.C.). The event will mark the 10th anniversary of Farrakhan’s so-called Million Man March of 1995.

In an exclusive interview with the Amsterdam News, a black newspaper published in New York City (and posted on its website on May 4th), Clinton calls the Farrakhan project "a very positive idea." Elaborating, the ex-president explains, "Jesse (Jackson) and Mr. Farrakhan and Rev. Sharpton probably have some internal domestic differences, but they’ve agreed on" the rally’s importance.

Clinton also retroactively endorsed the 1995 weird-fest, explaining that Farrakhan and friends, "were basically standing up for the dignity of the family and asking African American men and fathers to be more responsible." Moreover, "it was totally non-violent and got a big participation…."


I have a lot of respect for MINISTER LOUIS FARRAKHAN because he's done a lot more to uplift and strengthen and instill INDEPENDENT Black pride in African Americans than most other "leaders" in the 20th century and forward, and before you continue to criticize Minister Farrakhan for what he's said in the past, that pales in comparison for the pandemic racism that continues to permeate society that was and has been and continues to be an institutionalized by-product of white America. To compare Minister Farrakhan to David Duke is proof that ignorance and stupidity continues to run rampant.

King Of Kings

I'm not on a "I'm the smartest in the room" tangent DP... I'm just trying to show that even though the NOI has it's negative aspects, they also have done a lot of good historically for our people...

In reading a lot of your posts MM it leads me to believe or better yet you come off as if you have a problem with your own people... you keep comparing the NOI to the KKK and Hitler and Sadr all of whom use violence and death as common practice in their regimes. And I'm saying it's a bit extreme. Especially since the NOI maintains that they are "muslims" or "ones of peace" and they've never sought out to murder anyone.

I'm saying put your negative feelings aside for the NOI and the fact that you don't agree with their policy on "jim crowe" as you put it and the white man in general and recognize the influence they had on black history. Can you do that?

DoublePromo

KOK, I hear where you're coming from and my "smartest person in the room" comment wasn't directed to you personally or specifically - it was directed towards where this conversation was going. I don't agree with what everything that Minister Farrakhan says but the Minister speaks from a perspective of fact whereas factions like the kkk/neo-nazi-types speak from an inferiority-napoleonistic complex view. Senator Obama should not have to rejected or denounced Minister Farrakhan entirely and in listening to his words I don't think he did, but it's amazing how hillary clinton plays on the fears and the race card in a rambunctiously rampant way and doesn't have to apologize for it. Unfortunately, in the cowtown race of presidential elections, one does have to tread lightly on ice with words.